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Hi there,

I miss the days when Martech was cool — the heyday of Dreamforce, the golden hoodie, and the mascots (special shoutout to my fav, Einstein!).

It was a different time.

The tech has gotten better and more powerful, but somewhere along the way, it feels like we lost our marketing groove.

Today, I sat down with Customer.io's CMO, Jason Lyman, to talk about how we bring it back, one campaign at a time.

Highlights

  • What it actually takes to make Martech cool again

  • Why mascots and memes might be an underrated moat

  • What we can all learn from Figma and Canva: design-led, community-first

  • Why marketing to marketers is both a dream job and 10x harder

  • The crossover lessons B2C and B2B desperately need from each other

Stay endlessly curious,

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